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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 2:41 am

Is it worth seeing? I really didn't like the force awakens and was planning to skip this.
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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 3:06 am

Thanada wrote:Is it worth seeing? I really didn't like the force awakens and was planning to skip this.


I didn’t like this one much — I personally thought 7 was ok, but this one was a fair step down on a lot of levels in my opinion. If you didn’t like 7, I’d say skip it for sure.
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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 4:12 am

Thanada wrote:Is it worth seeing? I really didn't like the force awakens and was planning to skip this.
I liked it more than TFA, but if you don't care about the running plot there's no reason at all to see it in theaters.
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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 11:11 am

Kaeve wrote:
Thanada wrote:Is it worth seeing? I really didn't like the force awakens and was planning to skip this.


I didn’t like this one much — I personally thought 7 was ok, but this one was a fair step down on a lot of levels in my opinion. If you didn’t like 7, I’d say skip it for sure.


Rian Johnson made a good movie, but not a good Star Wars movie. It's the same way that Rogue One was a decent war movie and not a Star Wars movie.

The cinematography is gorgeous. There is a space battle scene that is just startlingly beautiful. The story is good, but is a bit more complex than most people will want to appreciate (by that I mean they'll rightly complain about the middle act without caring about why it is that way and what it means for the rest of the series). It pulls some satisfying twists off.

But Rian didn't give most people what they wanted out of Luke (and to a lesser extent, Rey). That's why I think people really don't like the movie.
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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 12:13 pm

My thoughts on Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi..

Saw TLJ on it's opening Thursday night then again in IMAX on Sunday. First impressions were pretty good but there were some things I really needed to watch through again to develop an opinion on. That being said, overall I enjoyed the movie a lot. I'm a Star Wars fan so just being in the universe and having epic space battles and some sick lightsaber fights and the call backs are fun for me. However the plot in this movie was frankly pretty weak, as was it's accompanying subplot. This movie is also setting up the franchise for a future, and that it can move away from the story specifically tied to Skywalker lineage. That's a big change, change frightens people, I could be okay with it but at this point it's a wait and see.

***DETAILED SPOILERS TO FOLLOW***

Good:
  • Poe Dameron - his character truly developed in this movie. He starts off trying to be the hero taking down a Dreadnaught starship, blatantly disobeying orders from General Leia Organa and resulting in a demotion from Commander to Captain. Leia harps that he needs to learn to be a leader and that losses were too great for what they gained. He doesn't learn immediately and sends Finn & Rose on their side mission (worst part of the movie, will detail later) that leads to a shit load more people being killed on their escape to Crait Rebel Base. While defending the base with fellow Resistance in the Ski Speeders, and taking large casualties, Poe looks around and seems them being all picked off and decides it's better for everyone to bail out to save losses. Leads team to follow Crystal Critters out of the base to escape. Imo some good character growth here and especially given Carrie Fisher death could set him up for a large leadership role in Episode 9.
  • Crystal Critters were cool
  • Vice Admiral Holdo - while the whole catastrophe of the Finn/Rose subplot and Poe mutiny could've all been avoided with Holdo sharing her plan to evac on smaller transports...I still really enjoyed her, albeit for the short time she was with us. I wish we got more backstory on her because clearly her and Leia had some kind of long standing Mentor/Student relationship. She was a leader, took control, and then valiantly took one for the team on the Cruiser while people tried to escape, only to watch in horror as they were blown out of the sky/space. The jump to hyperspace through Snoke's ship was easily the best shot in the entire movie.
  • Yoda cameo - loved the entire interaction with Luke & Yoda. Yoda still teaching Luke lessons, tell him to do what he told him to and pass on what he has learned. Luke got all hesitant to destroy the first jedi temple, Yoda giggles and strikes the bitch down with lightning anyways as Luke cries about the sacred jedi texts. Yoda's line "there is nothing in there she (Rey) doesn't already have" actually meaning she already stole the books as we see on the Millenium Falcon by the end of the movie.
  • R2-D2 - cursing off Luke about being on his "fucking island" (assuming that's what he said) and then replaying Leia's original message to Obi-Wan was a great emotional moment
  • Kylo vs. Luke conflicts - I genuinely thought for a moment Luke got blown tf up by the AT-ATs, I would've been disappointed with it but that red splatter took me by surprise.
  • Luke's Force Projection reveal - it wasn't until the second time through I noticed the subtle close-ups of the feet of both Kylo and Luke during their lightsaber battle. You could see when Kylo moved his feet that the red salt and footprints were created. But then on Luke's same shots, the ground stayed white despite him moving. Luke also dodged all Kylo's attacks and didn't actually block them.
  • Chewbacca finally got to pilot the Millenium Falcon by himself for the first time! And what a job he did navigating that red crystal labyrinth. I'm scared for his character going forward, he's always been a sidekick to Han but now without Han he just feels kind of out of place.
  • Kylo Ren - I'm enjoying the journey this character is on, there's actual development here. He can't bring himself to shoot missiles at the bridge where his Mom is, he's emotionally conflicted and torn throughout the whole film. His relationship with Rey throughout the movie is quite interesting. She's trying to turn him to the light, he's trying to get her to turn, but not necessarily to the "Dark Side" of Snoke but just to his side. And the backstory of the night he turned on Luke was great stuff as well. I laughed out loud at this "BLOW THAT PIECE OF JUNK OUT OF THE SKY!!!" when he talks about the Falcon, and the overkill of "FIRE EVERYTHING AT THAT MAN, MORE!! MORE!!!!". I'm excited to see where he goes in Ep 9, now as the new Supreme Leader.
  • Visually everything is amazing. The Rebel cruiser going through hyperspace and splitting Snoke's ship was so beautiful. I always love the space battle combat and Poe's X-wing flying through the Dreadnaught in the beginning was sick.

Mixed Opinions:
  • Luke Skywalker - I could've done without the stupid comedic shit Disney no doubt interjected, see him brushing off his shoulder after being blown to bits by a buncha AT-ATs, also the wink at 3PO, also the milking whatever creature and creepily smiling. Luke went from becoming a Legend at the end of Ep 6, to off-screen starting a Jedi Training Temple only to have it all come crashing down by Kylo and the Knights of Ren, commits himself to exile has given up all hope, cut himself off from The Force and is ready to die a slow death of old age. A long path for a character that develops more here as he sees the Jedi for what they were, or what they accomplished, which was total failure and allowing the Sith to rise and take over everything, and constantly falling victim to their own hubris. Idk how I feel about the overall relationship with Rey and their time together on the island. Anyway he eventually decides to open himself back up to The Force after she leaves, he communicates with Leia, then goes all Force projection to help save his sister and the Resistance. I loved the scene of them together in the bunker. Leia had to have known he was a Force projection since they "touched" hands as he gave her the dice or whatever from Han's Falcon. But this whole scene and them talking was great imo. "I will not be The Last Jedi" was another line that I really loved and almost cheered for. I'm okay with him becoming a Force Ghost by the end of the movie, it seemed the projection took a lot out of him, and as we saw from the Yoda cameo, they can still play a part in future movies - my hopes are to train Rey that 3rd lesson he left out in Episode 9. Luke's interactions with Kylo were great. And I loved both times he said "Everything you just said in that sentence, was wrong." So overall there were some issues I had with Luke's character that seemed 'out-of-character' but I think I'm okay with where he's gone...as long as he's there to train Rey in Ep 9.
  • Rey - Idk how I feel about Rey's character development overall. Ep 7 she was a Scavenger on Jakku patiently awaiting the never coming return of her parents. Maz Kanata tells her that she's foolish to wait and they're never coming back. She's naive. She's seeking belonging, in Han, Luke, anyone at this point. She doesn't really develop much in this movie. They try to show she's like tempted by the Dark Side but that falls short. When she went in the well and saw the mirror I had immediately thought, she's just going to see herself, her own darkness, that is the truth of the Dark Side. It's being able to control yourself and your own darkness within you, the choice is all up to you. She hardly goes through this struggle, or any real struggle on her journey to becoming a Jedi -- not in the way Luke did in the OT anyways. She does some fight training with her staff and then a Lightsaber. I did enjoy her relationship with Kylo though as I said above. Their fight scene with the Praetorian Guards was pretty epic overall. I just want to see her character actually develop. Anakin/Luke's old blue lightsaber was split in half, so now she needs to create a new one. She has the sacred jedi texts. I'm just hoping she can actually do something in the next movie idk. If you compare her to Luke where like he has to cope with finding out Vader is his father, he loses half an arm, he's already partaken in the destruction of Death Star 1, he's been through some battles and training with Yoda, he's earned the status of Jedi in his movies. Rey what, sustained some force mind battles with Kylo, and force choke from Snoke and that's it. She barely is trained, learns 3 lessons from Luke:
    1) The Force is not a power that belongs to the Jedi
    2) The Jedi's legacy is failure
    3) ??? - Episode 9 maybe? I hope. Just keep hoping something actually happens for her.

Bad:
    Finn & Rose - holy shit. God was this subplot so awful and so unbelievably pointless!!! You take this entire part out of the movie and I'd be so fine with it. Again, all this also would've been avoided with Holdo just shared her plan with the Resistance at any point in the movie. The only reason she didn't seemingly was so Finn & Rose could have a story, that's the only purpose served. Rose is a mess of a character who basically whines the entire time and then fucking robs us of the one thing that would've been good for Finn's character. Their relationship together the whole time is kind of awkward. Once they escape the casino planet with random codebreaker conveniently in the cell they get thrown into for fucking parking their ship on a beach..they head to Snoke's ship where they're caught immediately. People complained that the codebreaker cut the deal and how did he know about the Transports anyway...but my 2nd time through they do actually explain this. On their flight from casino planet to Snoke's ship when Finn & Rose are talking to Poe on the loudspeaker intercom system, they cut to Del Toro's character like perking up at the information that Poe shares that Holdo is evacuating to the nearby planet. So he cuts the deal, time to be executed by Captain Phasma, another pointless character, except oh wait jk ship goes boom, they survive, defeat Phasma, and escape to the rebel base. Following Poe in their Ski Speeders they take on the First Order. Finn, who's character has constantly been running away ever since we first met him, finally has a moment in character development where he's going to come full circle - charge straight into the danger and sacrifice himself to take out the cannon and save his friends in the bunker. NOPE! ROBBED! Rose just fucking knocks him off course, which easily could've killed him anyways and boom cannon goes off. Now Rose, who apparently has a newfound love interest with Finn (just because he's a resistance hero i guess?) says some cheesey shit about saving the ones you love instead of beating the ones you hate or whatever, awkwardly kisses him then passes out...He then proceeds to drag her tf back to the base all the way from the cannon site, by himself!!, and then he's taking care of her in the ship later. This was just all fucking terrible and I hated it.
  • Captain Phasma - they attempt to give an identity to this character but just nothing ever happens with her and then she's killed off..but not before calling Finn scum, to which he replied "Rebel Scum"....come on, seriously
  • Snoke - I'm not happy with Snoke's death, at all. Assuming he stays dead - IMO this was just completely fucking terrible. In this new trilogy, we haven't established any kind of true Dark Side threat that feels real. I say this because going into this movie, Kylo Ren has always acted like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum and truthfully nothing to be truly feared. But then we have Supreme Leader Snoke, who we have no background information on, no clue who he is, where he came from, only that he's in charge of the First Order and can use the Force. Now we get to this movie, finally see Snoke in person, he displays a strong control over the Force making Rey submit easily, and playing with the lightsaber, Force Lightning Kylo to the ground when he tries to stand up against him early on....But then he's just killed off! In the most non-dramatic way! His apprentice 'mind tricks' him I guess into thinking he's turning his own lightsaber towards Rey but he's really thinking to turn Rey's lightsaber towards Snoke...then slices him in half and that's it. That literally left me like WTF. Now what, I still do not fear Kylo Ren as a true Dark Side threat. I'm excited to see where his character goes but dude's still a pussy. Who's the true power of the Sith or Dark Side..The Emperor, if we just look at the OT we didn't know much about either, but he had this truly sinister presence about him. He was exceptionally creepy and everyone feared him. Snoke wasn't on that level, but he was much more evil than Kylo, andddd now he's gone.
  • Rey's Parents Reveal - really...they're literally nobody? Why shroud this in so much mystery if it means nothing. This pissed me off a lot. I almost completely missed it the first time through cause it was just said like no big deal. I understand they want to move away from the Skywalker lineage in storytelling but idk heritage has always meant a lot in Star Wars and this just seemed super fucking weak. Anakin was made of the Force (supposedly) hence his exceptional skills...so wtf is her story to warrant her extremely quick development? Luke's a Skywalker as well so again heritage warrants his progression.
  • The plot of the movie itself was imo, The First Order trying to destroy The Resistance for good. And it was literally their big ass ships crawling through space together. TFO couldn't send a ship to cut off the Cruiser??? They could only follow behind aimlessly waiting for fuel to run out? That seemed absurd to me.

Indifferent:
  • Leia Superman/Force/Space/whatever scene - She's a Skywalker, she's always been force sensitive. She just didn't choose the Jedi path, she was a Rebel leader since Day 1. We've never seen her power on display but it's not farfetched for her to use the Force. The scene itself looked..well about as you'd expect it to look with all that CGI..but I'm okay with her using the Force. Would be cooler if we later learned somehow it was Kylo that actually saved her as this was where he held up firing on the bridge. RIP Admiral Akbar though what a shitty way to go out.
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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 1:11 pm

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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 2:58 pm

Pudders wrote:bruh


This.

Also, (spoiler). You don’t notice during the projection that Luke doesn’t have any gray hair and appears as he did when Kylo would have last seen him. Realized this after the scene.

The movie seems to want to get away from the Sith / rebel conflict as Kylo wants to destroy both.
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PostTue Dec 19, 2017 3:38 pm

Titanbear wrote:
Pudders wrote:bruh


This.

Also, (spoiler). You don’t notice during the projection that Luke doesn’t have any gray hair and appears as he did when Kylo would have last seen him. Realized this after the scene.

The movie seems to want to get away from the Sith / rebel conflict as Kylo wants to destroy both.

their refusal to tell us where snoke came from and how he ties into the jedi vs the sith would agree with that.
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PostTue Dec 26, 2017 2:39 am

I watched Star Wars, Thor and Justice League this past week and I honestly thought Star Wars was the worst of the three
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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 3:25 pm

Who saw Ready Player One? I really loved it but think a lot of that can be attributed to also being a nerd (not as big a nerd as Farore tho) who spends most of his free time in video games. It was also relatable to me going through the awk situation of meeting in game friends IRL, which all helped me enjoy it
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